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Katie DeBonville: Reclaiming the Audacity to Create at Any Age

What happens when you realize that "anything you want to be" actually includes the thing people told you wasn't practical?

 

In this week's conversation, I’m talking with my good friend Katie DeBonville. Katie is an emerging author whose new book, Grace Notes, explores the intersection of music, memory, and the courage it takes to speak your mind.

 

Katie shares the story of her legendary stand-off with a high school guidance counselor, her journey from wanting to be first-chair flute in the Boston Symphony to earning a writing degree at 50, and why she believes success is not a zero-sum game. We also examine the "audacity" required to follow a creative calling and why your creative spark never truly disappears—it just waits for you to give it permission to play.

 

I’m Nancy Norbeck, and I’m your Messy Muse Mentor. I help people feel alive again through creativity, curiosity, and play.

 

In this episode, we discuss:

• The Practicality Trap: Why creative careers are often discouraged and how to push back against the "shoulds."
• The "Emerging" Author: The reality of starting a new creative chapter at 53.
• Finding Your Story: How the right mentors can help you see the patterns in your own life that you’ve been missing.
• Creative Community: Why having each other's backs is the only way to beat the "plotter vs. pantser" politics.

Ready to send your inner critic to summer camp for an hour and just enjoy some creative company? We get together once a month for a relaxed, co-working-style session where you can work on whatever you want—without any pressure to do it "right." Join the Creativity Circle.

 

Episode breakdown:

 

0:00 Introduction

1:05 Meeting Katie DeBonville: The "emerging author" at 53

2:53 The blank book obsession and the fear of the first page

3:51 The First Chair Dream: Ambition vs. Reality in the Boston Symphony

8:58 The Guidance Counselor Story: Fighting for a creative life

12:31 Why encouragement changes the data on creative success

17:07 Sibylline Press: Giving a voice to women over 50 2

2:40 The audacity of speaking your mind (and the Communion story)

30:57 Doing an MFA during the pandemic: The right time to commit

42:26 Finding Your Story: Lessons from three legendary mentors

50:24 Flash Fiction and the beauty of the 70-word piece

56:15 Plotters vs. Pantsers: Why there is no "correct" way to write

 

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Why You’re So Good at Ignoring Yourself | Report from the Creative Closet #2

Have you ever realized that "adulting" has become a fancy word for getting really, really good at ignoring your own signals?

 

In this week's Report from the Creative Closet, I’m exploring the eerie reality that we aren't actually "lost"—we just forgot where we put ourselves. I’m sharing why that "force of will" you had as a five-year-old is the key to breaking free from the mask that is currently exhausting you.

 

In this episode, I discuss:

• The Pork BBQ Standoff: Why my five-year-old nephew's legendary refusal to try barbecue is a masterclass in creative clarity.
• The Adulting Mask: The massive energy cost of spending your whole day saying "I should probably" while your intuition is saying "no".
• Bad Snowflakes: How a simple, ridiculous drawing exercise can drop your persona and bring your energy back to life.
• The Creative Attic: Why you didn't lose your spark; you just stuffed it into a box in the attic so you could "go along to get along.

Ready to send your inner critic to summer camp for an hour? We get together once a month for a relaxed, co-working-style session where you can work on whatever you want—without any pressure to do it "right." Join the Creativity Circle.

Matthew Jacobs: Doctor Who, The Emperor's New Groove, and Finding Your Fingerprint

What is the one question that drives every single thing you create?

 

My guest this week is the self-described "happy hyphenate" Matthew Jacobs. Best known for contributing to major titles like Young Indiana Jones and The Emperor's New Groove and writing the 1996 Doctor Who TV movie, Matthew joins me to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the TV movie’s release.

 

Matthew tells me about his "No Rules" approach to creativity and his fascinating method for finding your "Creative Fingerprint"—the hidden linking tissue between the stories you love and the work you produce. And his definition of creativity is my favorite—ever.

 

Whether you're a fan of the Doctor or an exhausted perfectionist looking to reclaim your own creative authority, this conversation is an invitation to stop performing and start feeling human again.

 

Ready to send your inner critic to summer camp for an hour and just enjoy some creative company? We get together once a month for a relaxed, co-working-style session where you can work on whatever you want—without any pressure to do it "right." Join the Creativity Circle.

 

Episode breakdown:

 

0:00 Childhood creativity and early acting origins
3:50 Transitioning from acting to directing and writing
7:15 The dream based approach to starting a script
11:00 Learning the craft by reading professional scripts
15:30 Why there are no rules in the creative process
20:10 The power of the childhood "why?"
24:45 How to find your personal fingerprint question
32:10 Bringing your unique voice to major franchises
38:20 The truth about the 1996 Doctor Who TV movie
45:45 From "The Llama King" to The Emperors New Groove
50:30 Dealing with creative backlash and legacy
54:00 Closing thoughts and appreciation

 

Want more? Here are handy playlists with all my previous interviews with guests in theatre, writing, and  Doctor Who.

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The Problem with Being Fine: Why "Okay" Isn't Good Enough | Report from the Creative Closet #1

Have you ever looked at your life and realized that while everything is "okay" on paper, something is deeply off?

 

You aren't alone, and I don't think the problem is you. I think the problem is the invisible pressure we all feel to be "good enough" at everything we touch.

 

Welcome to the first Report from the Creative Closet—a new series of dispatches designed to help you move past the "shoulds" of adulthood and reconnect with your own aliveness. In this inaugural report, I share one of the weirdest but most effective ways I know to escape the perfectionism trap: making bad art on purpose.

 

In this episode, I discuss:

• The Falling Down Machines: Why we forget how to learn like toddlers—who fall on their faces and laugh rather than giving up.
• The 30-Day Experiment: What happened on Day 15 of my journey writing 30 "bad" poems for YouTube.
• Summer Camp for Critics: How to send your inner critic away on a scary ropes course so you are finally free to play.
• The Creative Authority: Why doing things "badly" is actually the fastest path back to your real self.

My Promise: I will never tell you that you need to force your way through resistance or ignore your intuition to follow a rigid self-help script. I’m here to provide a sanctuary, not another to-do list.

 

Ready to stop performing and start living? If this resonates, I invite you to join me for a free Creativity Circle. We get together once a month for a relaxed session where you can experiment without any pressure to do anything you don't want to do.

Nicola Bryant: Doctor Who, Hypnosis, and the Art of Trusting Your Gut

What happens when the role you play on screen starts to close doors in your real life?

 

My guest this week is actress Nicola Bryant, famously known as the American companion, Peri, on Doctor Who. In a story that sounds like a movie itself, Nicola shares how she pretended to be American for three years—both on and off-set—and how that choice affected her career for decades.

 

We explore her creative childhood, her transition from ballet to theater, and her deep interest in the power of hypnosis to help others heal and grow. This is a conversation about creativity, identity, and the courage it takes to finally trust your own gut.

 

If you’re ready to stop performing and start feeling human again, I invite you to join me for a free Creativity Circle—the next one is this coming Saturday, April 25.

 

Episode breakdown:

 

0:00 Intro and childhood creativity

4:15 The art of creative cooking

8:30 Perception and seeing the world differently

13:00 From ballet school dreams to acting

17:45 The "act 18" audition story

22:15 Realizing the power of acting choices

27:30 Embodying roles and character work

32:00 The secret Doctor Who audition

37:15 Living a double life as American

42:30 Navigating career typecasting and snobbery

47:45 Getting discovered in the West End

52:15 Returning to Peri on audio

56:30 The science and art of hypnosis

1:00:00 Trusting your gut and the mind body connection

Want more? Here are handy playlists with all my previous interviews with guests in theatre and  Doctor Who.

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CPT #126: Tom Hanks and the Art of Not Forcing Your Creativity

If you're currently fighting with a project that refuses to behave, you might be trying to force an outcome that wasn't meant to be.

 

In this episode, I share a surprising lesson from Tom Hanks’ performance in Forrest Gump. We often think that being a "pro" means forcing our vision into reality, but sometimes the most professional thing you can do is learn to follow your project’s lead instead.

 

Whether you're a writer, an artist, or just someone trying to get through a messy creative week, this pep talk is a permission slip to stop the "force" and start the "flow."

 

Want more tips? Check out this playlist with all my previous Creative Pep Talks! Every episode stands on its own.

 

If you're ready to stop performing and start feeling human again, I invite you to join me for a free Creativity Circle. (Don't forget to confirm you subscription!) We meet next on April 25.

 

Why “Why” is a Dangerous Question with Danielle Marshall (Curiosity vs. Judgment)

If you’ve ever felt frustrated, angry, or deeply misunderstood during a conversation, the culprit might be a single word you didn’t know was dangerous.

 

In this episode, I’m talking with equity strategist Danielle Marshall about the power of curiosity to bridge divides and change culture. Danielle shares why asking "What else might be true?" is her most powerful tool for connection and why she decided to learn a brand new skill every year once she turned 40.

 

Whether you're trying to navigate a difficult workplace culture or just want to have better conversations with your kids, this episode is a permission slip to put down the judgment and pick up curiosity instead.

 

If you're ready to stop performing and start feeling human again, I invite you to join me for our free Creativity Circle.

 

Episode breakdown:

 

00:00 Introduction
04:02 Embracing curiosity, asking questions, and building strong connections.
08:14 Making networking meaningful by asking genuine, human-centered questions.
12:20 Being curious instead of judgmental leads to better conversations.
16:13 Dangers of relying solely on AI for answers.
20:14 Approaching organizational culture change through curiosity and pain points.
24:31 Challenges in shifting to a true feedback culture.
28:23 Coaching empowers ownership by guiding with questions, not answers.
32:19 Learning to handle feedback thoughtfully and with discernment.
36:18 Curiosity is like a muscle, build it intentionally over time.
40:09 Start with simple curiosity, apply process to bigger challenges.
44:09 Questions can reveal disconnects between leadership and frontline experience.

You can get your copy of Danielle's Curiosity Playbook here.

 

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CPT #125: A Permission Slip for Perfectionists: Why I’m Letting Go (Overcoming Burnout)

If you’ve been feeling like you’re clawing your way up a cement wall by your fingernails just to get through your "to-do" list, this conversation is for you.

 

I recently realized I was my own worst client. In this Creative Pep Talk, I’m sharing the three-word message I saw on the back of a truck that stopped me in my tracks—and how it helped me save my creative spark.

 

If you are a perfectionist struggling with burnout or the pressure to over-function, this episode is a "permission slip" to listen to what your own resistance is trying to tell you.

 

Want more tips? Check out this playlist with all my previous Creative Pep Talks! Every episode stands on its own.

 

If you're ready to stop pushing and start feeling human again, I invite you to join me for a free Creativity Circle.

TV Comedy vs. Novel Writing: Leslie Rasmussen on Finding Your Voice in the "Wild West" of Fiction

Have you ever felt like you need a "permission slip" to try a different creative path, even when you’re already "successful" in another? In this episode, I’m talking with award-winning screenwriter Leslie Rasmussen, who spent years in the high-pressure world of comedy writing for iconic television shows like Roseanne, The Drew Carey Show, and Sweet Valley High before pivoting to her true passion: writing novels.

If you are an exhausted perfectionist who feels stuck in a specific professional lane or fears that your creative spark has a deadline, Leslie’s journey from the TV writer's room to the "Wild West" of fiction will show you how to reclaim your own narrative. Most creative advice tells you to pick a lane and stay there or to follow a rigid corporate productivity system. But on this podcast, we believe in messy, joyful creativity for people who are tired of the pressure to perform. We focus on the life force of your work—not just the output.

 

Episode breakdown:

0:00 Transitioning from TV scripts to fiction
4:15 Growing up creative in Los Angeles
8:30 Breaking into Hollywood as an assistant
12:45 Challenges for women in comedy writing
17:20 The role of mentorship and networking
21:50 Working on ALF and Carol and Company
26:10 How actors help writers find their voice
31:45 The difference between sitcoms and animation
36:30 Outlining vs writing by the seat of your pants
41:15 Working with developmental editors
46:50 The reality of the TV writers room at 2 AM
51:20 From a nutrition business back to storytelling
56:45 The vulnerability of professional book reviews
59:10 Writing about family secrets and sisters
1:00:58 Final advice and closing thoughts

 

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CPT #124: Joy is the Antidote to Burnout

In this creative pep talk, I'm sharing a personal confession: I realized I was in the middle of nearly burning myself out because I forgot to let myself have enough fun. We live in a culture that wants us to prioritize working all the time and forget that joy is a necessity, not a luxury. I’m sharing the $0 Joy Gift—the tiny, simple things like a piece of classical music or a laugh over $10 aluminum foil—that can save your soul when you feel your creative spark is being drained dry.

Most burnout advice tells you to "just crush it" or optimize your schedule. But on this channel, we believe in messy, joyful creativity for people who are tired of the pressure to perform.

My Promise to You:

🤦🏻‍♂️ I’ll never tell you that you have to "earn" your joy through high performance.

🤷🏻‍♂️ I won’t ask you to ignore your need for play to fit a rigid corporate system.

😁 I will never treat your need for a creative sanctuary as a failure of discipline.

What we’re exploring in this episode:

✨ The Irony of Burnout: Why it’s so easy to give advice and so hard to remember to take it.

🎶 The $0 Joy Gift: How tiny things—like a piece of music or a laugh over $10 aluminum foil—can save your soul.

🧠 The Aptitude Trap: Why being "analytical" can sometimes lead you down a rabbit hole of exhaustion.

💖 The "Importance" Reframe: A reminder that your creativity matters because you matter.

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And if you want a safe space to explore this way of being with others, the door to our next free Creativity Circle is open. (Don't forget to confirm your subscription!) We meet again on March 21.

Want more tips? Check out this playlist with all my previous Creative Pep Talks!